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ladies and gentlemen there is no controversy anymore every bit of evidence that we have tells us how his name is to be pronounced the Monsignor Louis to shoot when Emmanuel shall I'm Louis boots you are listening to Hebrews with Nehemia Gordon thank you for supporting the heaviest mcore Hebrew foundation learn more at Nehemia swall calm Shalom this is the Kamiya Gordon and welcome to Hebrew voices this episode is a special celebration on the occasion of finding the 1000th Hebrew Bible manuscript with the full vowels Yehovah I want you to hear from some of the team scouring Hebrew Bible manuscripts in libraries around the world looking for the name you hava and others who have been key in spreading the truth about this vital information to Israel and the nation's I begin the conversation with Michael Rood I was doing a series the rude awakening series from Israel at that time and I had already filmed and had heavily invested in the name Yahweh and even today now it is more than a quarter million DVDs that have gone out over the world and I was so invested in this that I did not want to listen to Nehemia sexplanations in his research which began really at four years of age as he began learning Hebrew and he wanted to know the name and it was such a passion for him but honestly I did not want to listen to him because I had already put my flag on the mountain I didn't want to listen to him but a few years passed and he brought forth evidence that I knew I could no longer ignore yesterday I got a call from Nehemia Gordon and this is a truly historic event that transpired just yesterday ladies and gentlemen Naomi Gordon welcome to a meal fellow Michael it's great to be here this really is a historic discovery for the last 17 years this has been my passion to find God's name in the Hebrew man really more than 17 years but 17 years ago I found the first two manuscripts with the full value hava and that's what I shared with you and Michael what I loved about you from the moment I met you at that cafe is you had this yearning for truth and yes you were invested in DVDs but the bottom line is what is the truth the creator of the universe and that's I think how we connected there we've now accessed thousands of manuscripts and as of this recording we now have one thousand and ten manuscripts of the Bible in Hebrew with the full vowels Yehovah and this blows my mind Michael the name has been a secret for over 1,000 years and when the information started to come out some of the tractors had washes this one scribe watches two scribes lost just five scribes now it's 1010 manuscripts and these go back to the earliest manuscripts with vowels from the Year 895 for a thousand years for over a thousand years all the way up until they stopped making manuscripts throughout this entire period the scribes consistently when they put in the full owls they put them in as Yehovah and I'll tell you Michael I come at this as a scholar if I found out his name was something else here's what I learned at the University you can't have a dog in the fight you've got to look for truth and you have to accept that truth even if it's inconvenient and it doesn't match your preconceptions so if I had found that his name was Yahweh I would have embraced that I would have no problem with that I didn't find that I've been looking for Yahweh I have a team of volunteers now and I tell them if you ever find any other vowels let me know we found two manuscripts out of the thousands we've looked at that have alternative vowels that do not have the vowel on comics instead they have schwa column pitaka which guess how that's pronounced at hebrew michael that's also pronounced Yehovah uh so out of all the manuscripts only two have this alternative and that's still Yoho ba we now have three manuscripts with a Babylonian pointing which is an alternative dialect of Hebrew not the standard Hebrew you find in printed Bibles and in most manuscripts it was used by the Jews of Babylonia and in the Yemen and there it's also Yehovah I mean all of the evidence now is converging and it's really definitive I put out a study recently my website if any as Walt Kahn called a mistake that got it right and there I go through some of the new discoveries we found and we found things these manuscripts nobody knows about things that you won't find in any introduction to Biblical Hebrew or any teaching on the textual critisism because we're looking through these manuscripts and we're finding new things and I put that in my study another study I did is ten rabbis who speak out on the name those two studies together really bring together a large portion of this I'm working on future studies which are really gonna lay out all this evidence Michael I want to tell you the verse at what is one of the coolest things of this whole story so I pull up the manuscript it's number 1,000 and I go to see well what's the passage get up in the context of my Bible permits the first thing that appears to me is Deuteronomy 18 verse 5 and it's only three words on the line that have survived part of its missing eaten by worms the words that survived is Lisa hates be shame Yehovah just serve the name of yah and that's the 1000th manuscript that has the full value ova later down in that column of the same page is Deuteronomy 18 verse 15 a profit from your midst from your brother's like me you hoe why your God will raise up from you and you will into him obey him and that had the full vowel yovan Michael that was the second witness and Michael may that prophet may he come soon we both standing before him and proclaiming the name of his father your hova may that be soon amen amen there's this verse in Psalm 148 it says kings of the earth and all peoples princes and all judge of the earths both young men and maidens old men and women let them praise the name of yova his name alone in his exalted his glories above the earth in heaven and so this is a verse Michael that talks about the importance of the name for all peoples not just Jews every human being on planet Earth needs to know what this name is and be able to proclaim it and now after over 1,000 years of the name being hidden it's being proclaimed throughout the world through this evidence is overwhelming evidence of 1000 Hebrew Bible manuscripts it's incredible Michael it is Jeremiah's prophecy is now coming to pass the Gentiles coming to Israel from the ends of the earth crying out and repentance for the abominations that they inherited and the almighty says because they cry out in repentance he will make his name Jehovah known to the Gentiles and this is the moment 1000 abreu manuscripts of the rabbi's as you say 10 I believe it's now 16 rabbi 16 rabbis yeah 16 I have and if you want to be precise this 1010 Hebrew Bible manuscripts as of this recording we found denmoor ladies and gentlemen there is no controversy anymore every bit of evidence that we have tells us how his name is to be pronounced it's not up to the Gentiles to try to figure it out it is in the ancient Hebrew manuscripts and it tells us exactly Lamia thank you so I'm dawn dawn I am really excited because we just reached 1000 manuscripts with the full vowels and you were part of that and I want to I want you to share with the people some of the things that you experienced in helping us get to this goal and before you do that I want to tell people Donna you're part of very small group of people in the world in fact there's only three of them who I call the 100 club people who have found the name with full vowels you hop on 100 manuscripts or more and you just like literally join that Club very recently and how does that feel to have found the name Jehovah 100 Bible manuscripts in Hebrew it feels amazing I love being part of this it's been an honor it's been so satisfying so rewarding to see his name preserved over the millennia so that we can know it today it's prophecy being fulfilled before our eyes and it is so exciting amen so don't how many hours do you think you've spent searching for the name well I get up in the morning I get my coffee well lately tea and I sit at my computer and every spare moment when I'm not working on something else I'm looking for the name yes until I go to bed at night isn't it well I'm looking at these statistics here and you went through something called the Lewis Gibson collection and there was 592 manuscripts in that collection and in that you found the name and eighty-eight of those I mean one of the things I've heard from some of the critics as well yo the names everywhere those are the vowels of Auto noise so they just put them everywhere but you're looking at 592 manuscripts and of that you only find it in 88 that's 15% that means you're not finding it far more often than you are finding is it frustrating no it's not frustrating every single manuscript to me is beautiful because it's the preservation of his language and so they're beautiful in their own right but when you find the name with full vowels it's just the special treasure and you found something amazing so I enjoy every bit of it but finding his name when I find that 15% I keeps me going I just I love being part of this whole project Wow and I know some of the manuscripts you've looked through in the British Library were very long manuscripts and you didn't find the name of owls and I want to share this story so I sent you this other manuscript to look through and you write back to me almost immediately and you say something's wrong I'm fighting to get everywhere I literally did think something was wrong because I knew how rare it was to find his name in a manuscript you could look through 40 pages and maybe you find one and then you look through another 50 and then you maybe find one more so I start in Genesis on this manuscript and there it is page after page after page and so I'm like something must be wrong here a better message Nehemia and find out the manuscripts broken its go out Freddy well I mean and then I understand after you went through a 700 page manuscript and didn't find the name with full vowels even once and you open up this other manuscript and it's just there everywhere and that's actually a relatively new discovery we made in the last year that in some of the manuscripts the name appears almost consistently and so that's something that we didn't really know about and and nobody seems to have talked about in the literature there's this book in Hebrew by a guy named Israel yevon he doesn't say anything about that that's the definitive book on this type of topic so that's pretty cool so don't tell us why is it that you keep looking why is it that you spend all day looking and after you found the first one or the second one you had two witnesses and you could have walked away why did you keep going to get into the 100 club you know my husband and I were talking about that and there are several answers I could give but the most definitive answer I could give is Isaiah 56 come on breeches I don't know my identity I don't know if I'm a daughter of Israel by DNA but I know that I am joined to Yahveh through Isaiah 56 and part of that is loving his name and I love to look for his name you know I have a science background I love doing research through any kind of research at me and I'm and I'm all over it I love doing that but to do research into the most important thing in the entire universe the name of the creator that's just to me I can't get enough of it oh man all right Thank You Don all right thanks for him yeah we have once again made contact with t-bone who is coming to us somewhere from a nondescript building in North America Shalom t-bone Shalom t-bone we have reached 1,000 manuscripts with the full vowels yovan you've been a key part of that and I want to thank you for that and I want you to share with the people what it's been like looking through these manuscripts for the name of your hovel with full vowels it's been an honor I feel unworthy to do it but just something that's been on my heart to do so t-bone I want to understand how you had the hutzpah the temerity to open up the Bible and look for your hova as Holy Name when you're not a Hebrew scholar you don't have a degree from some University in Hebrew and you actually can't even I mean you could read the Hebrew letters and the vowels but you actually can't read Hebrew fluently so what made you think you could do it well I originally I'm from Missouri so Missouri what are you talking about you're sorry oh I wanted to see it for myself so Missouri's the show-me state you want to see it for yourself okay so why didn't you go to the scholars and the rabbis and the professors and ask them because you were looking at it even before you contacted me well it's my responsibility to look into things for myself and not believe what I meant because someone else says thank god someone said it hallelujah this is what I've been telling people for years look for yourselves you can actually see it for yourselves yeah and study it and you can make your own decision about it men so you started studying this yourself I also prayed that he'd give me the eyes to see his name and to be able to give me the talent to see it and to find it well what I love about that t-bone is there's this incredible combination there of audacity on the one hand and humility on the other you're saying god I want to know the answer and I'm not just gonna blindly follow what people tell me but I'm coming before you humiliating asking you for the wisdom and the discernment to be able to be able to do this I looked up in my emails you first contact me in 2014 and I remember thinking you know this guy's a Nik which is a Hebrew word he's kind of like he's pestering me and now you're asking about this manuscript with vowels and then we went back and forth over time and I saw wow this guy's actually learning that's kind of impressive like I'm explaining to him about Revilla moog rosh and things like that you know very technical complicated things and he's picking up on it real quick and you know and then when I I finally was looking for the manuscripts and I have it here in my emails in my records on February 10th 2017 I contacted you and I sent you oriental 4445 in the British Library one of the key manuscripts of the Bible and I asked you to look through it and I really thought I'm gonna hear back from this guy in two or three years because it's a long manuscript February 12th two days later wrote me back and you'd found a bunch of places where you thought there might be the name with the full vowels I checked them and two of them were legit and that was manuscript number six and really over the last few months I've been thinking we went from six manuscripts and we were in like the 700s and I'm thinking what if we got to a thousand within one year and then by January 21st 2018 less than a year from the day where we found the sixth one we now have as of today I'm looking at the spreadsheet right now 1015 manuscripts with the full of a house t-bone Wow it's impressive so share with the people some of the things you do how is it that you go through a nine hundred page manuscript and find the vowels and in one or two places or maybe not at all sure what the process is first of all well I just get comfortable and put on some music and just scan through the pages usually and so you're reading all of the biblical text as you're going no I just scan for the pattern of the name and I do it column by column I have a monitor setup on it and that's awesome I didn't know you did that that's that's incredible I need to do that now all right that's brilliant I've actually seen people do that who work on manuscripts but uh I never did that that's pretty cool so why did you first count me in 2014 it was about these manuscripts well it's a common long story but short version is I saw your open door series I think you did that with Keith and you were talking about the name and after that I started looking through the Leppa codex myself and I made a spreadsheet and began looking for the name for myself you know because I wanted to find it and see it with my own eyes so I started making a spreadsheet and taking screenshots of every time I found the name where I thought it was the full vows it turns out they had accents and stuff but at that time I didn't know anything about the accent and you know what's interesting is that when Keith and I looked at the leningrad codex years ago it's been computerized and so we were looking on the computer version meaning like people typed it in and then we were comparing it with the manuscripts and we had gotten a certain count of how many instances had the full vowels from the computer version and then when we actually looked at the manuscript I said wait a minute that's a Revilla that's not a whole arm so you know here you are not an expert in Hebrew by any means and the top experts in the world made that same sort of mistake and what's amazing to me now t-bone I'm gonna tell people something you're not Jewish am i right t-bone correct and you're coming from a belief in the New Testament background is that right correct okay so when you're looking at the Hebrew text you understand what you're reading so you don't even understand the text but you can identify the name of our Heavenly Father and and what's blows my mind is you have looked at more manuscripts of the Hebrew Bible than the top experts in the world and that's literally true today I mean how many manuscripts you think's you've looked through to me I'm looking here at our spreadsheet you personally have found the full vowels in over 700 Bible manuscripts you're part of a club of three people I call it the 100 club it's you dawn and me so you found it in over 700 manuscripts which means to get those 700 manuscripts how many thousands of manuscripts did you look through because most time you didn't find it right so how do you have any idea how many manuscript look through not offhand the average is about maybe 28% yeah right so you're actually and I was just looking at Don's stats your find rate is much higher than hers and looked at that could just be a random consequence of the type of manuscripts you're looking at right meaning like there's manuscripts in the Cairo Genizah and a lot of the manuscripts you're looking at were from a particular library I know one of those caches of manuscripts that you look through with 2700 manuscripts I can tell you and that's not the only one you've looked at so if we're really conservative you've looked through three to four thousand manuscripts that is more than the top experts in the world I can tell you that that's free impressive I mean look you obviously have this passion for our heavenly father's Holy Name what's the most interesting thing you've seen in the manuscripts I think one of the most interesting things is the what we call the b-52 bomber come on talk about Russian National Library b-52 has the full name with all the valves and they're rafi over the hey hey that's right and we found prefixes full vows right inseparable positions and technically they're inseparable particles but you know close enough because it includes things aren't prepositions so we've got these inseparable particles and we originally found this in b-52 and how many of those have we found all together today I have 43 guys he found 107 I only found 36 all right that's okay I'm so blessed I mean I mean it's really it's incredible that you're looking through you know like you said a 900 page manuscript and you might not find the full vowels at all and then you uh sometimes you do find it so I mean one of the ones that was really impressive to me like I said was that first one oriental 4445 where you're going through hundreds and hundreds of pages and they almost only two instances where it has the full vowels but at least that we found it I mean wow that's impressive amazing I got to tell you one of my dreams in life literally one of my like my bucket list dreams of life was to be able to go through the entire Aleppo codex and see everywhere precisely where it does or does not have the full vowels and your hova has blessed me with you that with your help we've now done that and we've actually we accomplished that and we know we can say with confidence today that there at the very least seven instances with the full vowels possibly a few more but seven certain definitive instances with full vowels in the Aleppo codex and that's a really big deal that's that's extremely important this is a blessing to the world I want to thank you for that t-bone keep on anything you want to share with the people yeah one other item that I really remember was the first time I saw Zephaniah at three nine come on the full vows yes that really hit me and also exodus 34:6 that's for that whole but the full mouth so I think that was a David fest seen the massacres crown any script yeah that was the first one we found it with full bowels but I remember early on you had this passion you said let's look specifically it's thirty four and see if we can find other manuscripts that have it with the full vowels and we did we found other ones yeah that was profound to me that those verses and then finding the full vows and once you read it in Hebrew Hebrew okay that's a good idea exodus 34:6 to seven I'm gonna read both verses this is one of the key passages in the Bible this is the revelation where God reveals what we call in Hebrew the me doped his attributes we never see God's face we never see his body but we are told his attributes it says by Avaya hava Panov and Yehovah passed over his face via and he called out so now your hova is calling out to Moses defining himself what's the first two words when he defines himself Yehovah Yehovah a god merciful and gracious l Hapai in bahasa dammit long-suffering and full of grace and truth no sil HESA da da theme he who observes grace for the thousandth generation wow it's just so beautiful no set of own with a java haha he's the one who bears iniquity it says give but literally it's bear he cares it on his back he carries it on his back he bears iniquity transgression and sin this is how yo ho ha describes himself to Moses Wow that's a powerful verse it's a powerful verse and so here we have Yehovah three times and it was your passion to find manuscripts that have not now we've got it you know I mean originally the goal is to get number six that it was to get 10 and then it was to get 50 and then it was to get you know I remember saying to you when we first met in Israel you came over to Israel to work on these manuscripts with me I remember saying to you I wonder if we could get to 200 by the end of the year amazing now can you say something about the Hebrew New Testament manuscripts because people don't know this but I'm there in Israel working on the name you hold on the Tanakh and you're kind of giving me a little jab in the side saying let's look at some New Testament stuff let's look at some New Testament stuff so we ended up pulling all these New Testament manuscripts in Hebrew that's one of the next things we're gonna be working on I'm really excited about that studying these manuscripts of the New Testament in Hebrew so I'm actually have you on now live and I actually just sent you a document of the New Testament I've known about this document for many years but only recently did we finally get this image in color and I've sent it to you and you're looking at it now for the first time am i right correct okay and what do you see there t-bone in this Hebrew text of the New Testament which look we don't know if this is a Hebrew original or a translation from Greek because it really is an unknown origin but it was found in a library I mean it's so cool there was a box on a shelf and it had all these loose pages from dozens of different books and among those pages were four pages of the New Testament in Hebrew and what do you see there in this Hebrew New Testament deboned well the first word I see is yeah and then on the second line this is you know and is it with the full vowels correct hallelujah all right t-bone thank you very much Shalom Shalom I'm nan with Chris Clark who is in Virginia Salam Chris Shalom Nehemia Chris I'm so excited we've reached a thousand manuscripts with the full vowels you hava and you've been a part of this can you share with the people what it's been like looking through these Hebrew manuscripts for the name it's been pretty exciting in 2011 I went to the conference's where you and Keith were teaching on the name with the first three manuscripts lepa codex leningrad codex cairo codex that's what eventually became the open door series but originally was a series of conferences yeah that michael read on right and that got me interested in the name then so i started out looking in those manuscripts for the name oh wow and it was interesting to see it see it in the manuscript for myself cuz i'd never learned about the name before right you know i was born and raised in illinois but deep in my heart I'm from Missouri which is the show-me state and that's what I love about this and I really love that anybody you don't have to be a Hebrew x4 anybody can open up these manuscripts and see it for themselves and that's true because I can't speak Hebrew can't read Hebrew but learning from you how the name was supposed to look going through the manuscripts the name just pops out off the page because that's really the only word I know right that's awesome what I love about that is that you you know you can't read Hebrew but you can read those four letters and you know what those vowels look like and and you through this process you've learned it with some of the accents looked like so cuz it's very easily confused with certain accents and it's really so simple it really is a simple language the Hebrew language there's only 22 characters and the number of vowels is limited you know in the number of accents as well as limited so it's it's doable somebody can learn to identify that and I'm looking at my records here I see you look through some of the manuscripts in the British Library and found the full vowels that's pretty exciting right so tell us why is the name important to you because from your name Chris I'm guessing you're not of Jewish extraction no I'm not you know over the years you've been sharing pictures from the first three four or five manuscripts you found and there's always been people that says well no one gots characters is important but knowing his name really isn't that important so I decided to look in the Bible and see for myself was it important or not so what verses did you find that support this idea that it's actually important to know not only God's character for his actual name okay one is Exodus 916 yeah and in the very deed of for this cause have I raised the up for to shew in the my power and that my name may be be declared throughout all the earth Wow so this is actually even before they let God out of Egypt he's saying this to Moses as well right yeah what else you gotta see Isaiah 12 for mmm-hmm and then that day shall you say praise Jehovah call upon his name declare his doings among the people make mention that his name is exalted his name is what represents him this is why the Hebrew Bible makes such a big deal about names think about all the namings were I mean there's actually really profound now that we're talking about this so think about creation so God creates the animals but then he brings them to Adam to give them names and that act of naming the animals is Adam in a sense participating in their creation he's putting these labels on the animals and then those become the names of the animals then when we hear the names of the animals in Hebrew in the Bible the animals were allowed to the animals are not allowed to eat well Adam a human being created those names and so names throughout the Bible are these really important things sometimes we're not told explicitly right sometimes it's implied why somebody has a name but other times we're told about Adam and Eve and Seth but then have a label we're not exactly told the reason right have all means vanity right cuz he was murdered or he didn't reproduce he was killed and his blood spilled into the ground and at a young age and so these names I mean all the twelve tribes were told the reasons for their names and then when the I'm stating the obvious but when Jacob wrestles with the angel he changes his name and God changes Abraham's name from Avram to Avraham so names are this important thing in the Bible and to just trivialize and say well we don't need to know his name we just need to know his character that misses the entire context of the Hebrew culture that the Bible was revealed in right give us some other verses Chris okay Psalm 29 - given to yahuveh the glory do in to his name worship Jehovah in the beauty of holiness Wow powerful stuff all right so back to your experience of searching through these Hebrew manuscripts did anything happen while you're searching to use Hebrew manuscript did you have some experience that you want to share with us well like I said in the beginning I was looking through the three the aleppo codex leningrad codex cairo codex and i was kind of surprised when I would find the name written in the Bible the the vowels for ad and I were not there and they were supposed to be according to what the popular teachings are on the Internet oh you mean what do you mean it's the fact that those of the volved a than I the fact that happens not to be true but it's the fact within in recent months there were some instances of the name with four vowels being found in the manuscript with the eraser dots around the name right and then in the margin the word Adonai was written with the vows of Adonai right so you had both sets of vowels written on the page right and that's really cool too juxtaposition there you see you nave of hey and you see the vowels it has and then you see I don't I in the margin essentially replacing it because it was a mistake that they wrote you to a5 hey and you can see right there they're not the same vowels are side-by-side right yeah so that's probably one of the most interesting things recently is to be able to see them both right there to know that they're different and you know the scribe knew they were different yeah and you know what he knew how to write the vowels of I don't I I mean that's one of the arguments that people have made well they had to revert to a schwa because it's not a guttural letter or other good okay then why is it we've now found manuscripts that do have the vowels I don't know it's very rare but we've now found manuscripts where the scribe said hey I actually want to put in the vowels I don't I and he did it right right so why didn't he do it in the other manuscripts because those aren't the vowels of I don't know exactly all right Chris thanks for joining us Shalom all right thanks Shalom I got Keith Johnson on the line here coming all the way from Shanghai China Nihao watch ye Tian Jian hua Keith we've got 1000 manuscripts with the full vowels of the name Yehovah and actually as of right now at this moment we have 1015 and I wanted to get you on the line because you were involved in a process of these manuscripts I had two manuscripts and I was happy with two manuscripts that was my two witnesses they were the aleppo codex and the leningrad codex and it didn't even occur to me for years to look for a third manuscript until something happened I want you to share what that was well as usual you got me into some trouble it was good trouble as it pertains to this topic I would say regarding the name if you remember some years ago those two manuscripts which actually you introduced me to Hemingway back in 2002 and it was funny one of those manuscripts of leningrad manuscript here i had within the context of my own bible from seminary and i brought it to israel and you said to me you said you looked at my little my little hebrew bible and you said within the pages of that bible the name appears and i'm like what do you mean i've had this all these years i didn't even begin to look at it that led to a wonderful process now how many of where we got a chance to see with our own two eyes my own two eyes after you introducing it to me the name written with full vowels in both the aleppo codex and the leningrad codex so to me I was like wow this is great so I was invited to do a series on TV for a Christian television station down in Texas and and I told them exactly what I was gonna do and they said absolutely bringing the witnesses and so I put took with the aleppo codex and the Leningrad cortex and put him on an airplane to come here and that was the aleppo codex that Reggie White gave you right he gave me me one you one Qadri a small one and one for himself yeah I still have that too I mean what a gift so anyway but that the thought was I was so excited thinking well you know what rather than talking about these manuscripts and rather than talking about what's in the manuscripts I'm gonna bring these manuscripts and put them on TV and introduce them to the world let the world see for themselves we're not making this up and then it happened what happens they saw the manuscript and they were convinced right well the people that were producing it were really quite impressed and and I did an entire series I think there's 12 parts or something and halfway through the series the issue came up that I was using these two manuscripts and actually showing people these two manuscripts in and there were some people that were involved with it said hey you must do that you cannot do that they went on and on saying you can't show the people these things that will confuse them that they might think for a minute that maybe the name is not what we proclaimed the name to be in earring I mean I mean the people that are listening and I don't want to bore them too much but what it really did and I'll never found never be able to thank you enough for one of the things that you you suggested Nehemia what you suggested which was really I think was a game changer at least from me was that you said hey let's go see if we can find some other evidence and we went to the library and went and found the Cairo codex of the prophets if every remember correctly dressed so before you had your experts t-bone and Dawn I was your little assistant and if you remember we went to the library and handed me one book and you took another book and you sat down instead looking and I started looking and I would come across what I thought was you'd hey ba ba hand it to you you said you can give me the book I took a picture and then every every single time no that might be a smudge and then the Hemi ah ah man what a great moment you were sitting in the library and there the Cairo codex was you Dave Ave with the three vowels so we had the full name in the Cairo critics of the prophets well that was the third witness the Qura critics of the prophets and then you found the fourth witness there was the Damascus crown it was Damascus crown and and you know I have to be honest here's where I do lose a little bit on my memory I'm getting older maybe it's because I'm on the other side of the world but you're all right down you're standing on your head and I have to see something from you there's so much it's going on regarding this these witnesses in this part of the world that those years ago when we were dealing with this sort of thing people really have taken that ed ball and they've run with it so the Damascus crown we find the name for consonants and three vowels and I remember us discussing that saying wow this is amazing we now have a hundred percent increase from what we had we now have four mm-hmm so a year and a half ago over the summer I went to Cincinnati where they have the Hebrew Union College has a manuscript and one of the key master attic manuscripts and that was number five okay so I probably called you last January and then I said I've got ten rabbis I need to find ten Bible manuscripts and I'm like good luck with that it took us forever to find so in fifteen years we had five Bible manuscripts I want to find five more talk to you when I'm 70 and I want to say something about this and if any of what I really appreciate and even you know I've been tracking a lawn since January and you've let me get a chance to see what you've been doing and in talking to the people that you're talking with we were in Boston together and how many of where you went outside of the place that what I say the bounds of comfort and ask people scholars about the process that you've been through so I've been watching this witnessing this when I got the note yesterday that said we found 1,000 call and let's celebrate I knew at that point that you know this really is a huge deal I mean that people probably don't appreciate what it means but they're going to appreciate to see the fruit of the labor that you and your team have put into this to find 1,000 plus witnesses with the four consonants and the three vowels and what you've done it's even more important I want to say this that I think is even more special is that you have involved people the scholars and others in you know that are well respected but you've also gone to people and said hey do you want to be a part of this process but to say to Don and to t-bone hey here's what you're looking for and for them to find it I think this is so cool this is amazing it's like the nations are coming together and they're discovering the witness of the name and I just I cannot tell you how how exciting it is to watch it to have been a part of it early but now to see where you're at now I don't know if I'll ever catch up I mean here this is game-changing look you've got to catch up to dawn dawn just joined the 100 club she's gonna literally I'm looking at the spreadsheet the database right now she has 101 manuscripts that she personally discovered the full vowels in yeah can you do us a favor I don't know if you've addressed this Nehemia so of the 1,000 manuscripts how many do you think you had to look forward to fine 2,000 like is there a percentage yeah so that's really interesting that you asked that so Don's rate is 15 percent and tbonz rate he estimates that 28 percent I have no idea what my rate is I don't know would 21 in 4 sounds about right in mind and that might just be a function of we had Don look through this one particular set of manuscripts the Lewis Gibson collection and there it might just be 15 percent right I mean you know she found all the ones that were there I don't think she missed any she did a very thorough job there so let's say roughly one in five right that means you're looking at four manuscripts that don't have it in order to get one on average that does have it that is absolutely amazing and so timewise why so much effort Nehemia it's really interesting you say that I was I was in a San Antonio with Deb and her husband we had printed out every page of the aleppo codex and we were organizing them for another project I'm working on which is to get precise a hundred percent accurate statistics on the name and the aleppo codex like right now I can tell you the name appears seven times with the full vowels what I can tell you is how many times it appears without the full vowels I can tell you that number is approximately 4,300 I'm not satisfied with approximately I want to know the exact number so we're sitting there and we're going through this manuscript the aleppo codex printed out and we're organizing the pages and we're looking through and I turned to Deb's husband I said I wonder the the detractors how many manuscripts are they sitting and doing this work for I mean it's a lot of work I don't know if people appreciate that it really is a lot of legwork I mean I will on a regular basis be shooting emails back and forth with t-bone at 2:00 in the morning 3:00 in the morning and he's responding because we're both up working on this and why am i working and I can't sleep as you you were the one who said it would you tell the people what you said when I told you about this I said you were I told him you I said I said you were under arrest by the spirit and it's regarding something that's biblical like this I mean it certainly has happened to me in the past and it seems to me that that's definitely what's happening to you I mean think about it what you're working on is helping can I say a prophecy come to pass that people would know the name and and that people would understand his name and that they would proclaim his name and here you're here you're working on this project and the heavier there's just no way when you called in January and you said you're looking for 10 that there was no thought that you would ever get to 100 and then when you got to 100 I'm like whoa five hundred thousand I mean at this point you know whatever the number is it's it's just overwhelming but the point is is that you you have been you've been diligent with this and now we're seeing the fruited labor mm-hmm and keep the best way I can explain of what this is like is it's something that you you actually quote this verse in your book his hallowed name revealed again it's Jeremiah 20 verse 9 then I said I will not make mention of him nor speak any more in his name but his word was in my heart like a burning fire shut up in my bones I was weary of holding a pack they told me literally don't speak that name anymore I've literally been told that would you please stop speaking this name and it's Jeremiah I could not the local God and I can't do it I can't I'm not able this is what keeps me up until 3:00 and 4:00 in the morning searching through these manuscripts one manuscript two manuscript three four and there's no name and then I get to number five I can't then it's like okay well now I'm going for another hour well can I just ask you a question and I think this is the question for the people who don't even maybe understand the significance of this so you're you're been a person from the time I met you that always said hey listen we got to find the sources you got to see it for yourself with your own two eyes so of all those manuscripts that you guys have been looking through what's been the percentage of you finding the name Yahweh in the manuscripts zéro have not never found the name Yahweh there's actually one variant that we found Keith and we found it now actually was dawn she found it in two manuscripts and we did find a variant set of manuscripts instead of solemn comets which is pronounced Yehovah we found in two manuscripts one time in each column potaka which is pronounced Jehovah and that's actually the set of manuscripts where they routinely switch back and forth between Pathak and comets because presumably in that area where they were copying this manuscripts they pronounced the two the same the way we do in modern Hebrew as well well let me tell you why I asked the question I'm not trying to throw anyone under the bus regarding of pronunciation of Yahweh the point is one of the challenges that we brought forward to people over and over again is please you know you've got this other pronunciation can you can you find a witness written witness Hebrew manuscript witness and unless you can tell me different that challenge has not yet been met other than for you to be able to look for the full pronunciation of the name I mean and so my point is is that you're not finding manuscripts that say well here's the name wha-ha-ha or you know yeah I mean and again I'm I want to be clear I'm not trying to downplay the people that see it that way but as it pertains to why this is so significant this is not your opinion this is manuscript evidence now from five to 100 mm that to me is a game-changer and I would like for people to know the significance of that that you're talking about something that's actually seen that was actually written it had ancient sources and really for me Keith this goes back to my initial prayer this was a prayer in the late 90s that I had my prayer was I'd read all these different theories and opinions and journal articles and I'm talking about from serious scholars about how the name is to be pronounced and you know when I read about Yahweh which is you know scholarly gasps and you know it's based on you know these these three sources and there's something else in other things and Greek sources and my prayer was father I want to be able to call on your name and point to the evidence for that a name in the Hebrew manuscripts by the scribes who preserved your word I don't want this to be you know because if it's an opinion today I can have opinion a and tomorrow I can have opinion B and then the next week I'll have opinions your opinion can change facts are facts and so my prayer was for a number of years my prayer was father I want to be able to call on your name not based on any man's opinion but based on the evidence in your Bible and that's why it's so significant to me that's why it was significant for me when I found the first two manuscripts in 2001 and when we found the Cairo codex of the prophets that wasn't your opinion it wasn't my opinion there it was I can point it I mean this was literally my prayer on the day of judgment if you ask me why did you call me by that name I can point to the book to the Word of God and say your name was written that way in your word and that that was my prayer and that and that's what this is the culmination of these 1015 manuscripts but we're not done Keith we're gonna keep going and I'm really excited we've got some really cool things on the horizon I mean I hope you're gonna be a part of that one of the things that I just I just sent this live on the air recorded live to uh to t-bone was a manuscript of the New Testament we're not saying where it's from and I asked him t-bone you've never seen this manuscript before what do you see and the first word on the page was Yehovah and what i really want to do is share that manuscript with the people because it really is an exciting story and I want you to be involved in that process I think you've being a very important piece of the puzzle you know you bring something to the game and I want you to be part of that well I got to go circle back to the beginning of this interview and if any of that you asked the question about what happened that took us beyond the tomb and it was controversy and-and-and that controversy really ended up being a place of blessing now I will say something you know you invited me about a couple months ago we were in Boston together at the International Society of biblical literature and I have to tell you something it kind of happened again and and now I feel that fire again that's burning about the need to really help bring clarity for people and I think what you're doing honestly by what you're doing I just think it's bringing to the forefront again something that's just not gonna go away this I mean am I right or wrong prophetically it's gonna come there's gonna come a time when when he's gonna cause his name to be and is it possible Here I am 7,000 miles away we're having this conversation you'll send us out to people is it just possible that we could be a part of that process of his name coming forth in the nations and I'll tell you something even over here can I read the verse Isaiah 52 verse 6 therefore my people shall know my name therefore they shall know in that day that I am he who speaks it behold it is I and I guess what I'm saying is I don't know how much we've talked about this but even in this part of the world they're beginning to have not only an appreciation but a practice of proclaiming his name we're finding people all over the world as you know that you talk to and interact with but I just have to say there's even more people who want to understand this information so I hope yes I would be willing to do anything as it pertains to this and maybe that would throw some water on the fire that's burning in my balls everything I think we kind of calm down you do something like this and I got to tell you that I mean you have you've started a bonfire would you end in prayer absolutely I would I would be honored enough father we thank you so much for the opportunity to put our hands to this flower I thank you for the heaviest work I thank you for the work of those that he's with for t-bone and Dawn and everyone that has been a part of this process the many scholars that our eyes have been opened as a result of this research that Nehemia is doing and pray that it would continue and father I just asked right now that even as we think about what the future is we know one thing for sure and that is that your name will be proclaimed as you said in that because Exodus chapter 9 this is but indeed for this reason I have allowed you to remain in order to show you my power in order to proclaim my name through all the earth father oh I were here on this earth let us be either instruments of proclaiming your name and and and sending forth the wonderful blessing of running into your name and understanding it in a way that would just be powerful and it would be amazing and that people all over the world would begin to do that which you say in the last days will take place that your name shall be proclaimed and it is in your name yahwah that we pray amen you have been listening to Hebrew Boyce's with Nehemia Gordon thank you for supporting the hymn use mcore Hebrew foundation learn more at Nehemia swol com [Music]